Sunday, October 17, 2010
9-Page Reply #7
I have a couple more posts to do on my 9-page reply, this being one of them. My credo still is up, buried deep in the past of my blog now, but you can easily access it through the fun words to skip around with bar on the right. Demosthenes is a good friend of mine, very moderate I would say in his views on religion, and a very smart guy. This is continuing my reply to an email he sent some time ago. It is kind of an introspective process, looking through the things I've said, and adjusting my views when I feel I have come across a better opinion or new information to consider.
So here goes:
I have no use for a god who says sex before marriage is near unto murder in seriousness.
This one runs into the issue that Mormonism doesn’t really teach this as if God said it or as if the scriptures say it. I haven’t done my research into proving this, but I’ll take Demosthenes for his word on it. Most likely this is more of a ‘man’ issue, leaders teaching things similar to this and members believe them, goes on for a while, becomes doctrine, etc…. Many people do believe this sort of thing, and not just in Mormonism, but I think this is more to blame on ‘religion’ than a god.
I have no use for a god who says stealing a pack of gum and killing children are they same before him because they are both sins.
This is mainly an evangelical Christian stance. They take the scriptures that say all sins are the same before God … literally. Though many religions don’t believe this I have met many people who do, so I’m betting a lot of the millions of creationists probably are the ones who think this too, I don’t retract this statement.
I have no use for a god who only speaks to men in the middle of the fuc*** desert.
This is more of a statement on the many laughable quotes by people such as Hitchens or Maher that God chose out of all the people to talk to the ones off on their own in the dessert, like Moses or the Jews as a whole. This statement could be moronic but I find the statement that God works in mysterious ways to be far more moronic.
I have no use for a god who wants us to know 'him' but then plays hide and seek.
The alternative? We actually get to know him! Her! Or it! There is proof in something more than just this world or life. It communicates with us like we communicate with someone else. An Abrahamic god could play hide and seek, but that whole theology is so narrow in its scope. A deistic god could likewise play hide and seek, but then what’s the point of that? In most senses, what is the point of a deistic god except to exist for people? And not ‘for’ them really, cause a deistic god doesn’t seem to care or do much to begin with.
I have no use for a god who professes love but then teaches an everlasting hell.
This idea may be more akin to ‘religion’ than a god, but it still holds.
I have no use for a god who is okay with slavery but not homosexuality.
Slavery has changed over history and Biblical slavery, especially in Roman civilization was different from the more modern American version, but both were upheld by people to be ‘okay’ by God’s standards. Perhaps this is a problem with human nature first, but religion helped the evils to grow. And of course despising homosexuality or homosexual love is a gross error on religions part.
I have no use for a god who teaches to love him and hate your family if a choice must be made.
No major dispute here with Demosthenes, though I am slightly torn by this statement. On one level many religions do try to have everybody love each other, but then they also say to avoid sin and heathens an such, so some people have already stepped away from me as a friend. Other religions teach to hate even your own child if necessary, while others really do say to love everyone. However, many people are hurt by a belief like this.
I have no use for a god who can’t make the human body correctly in the first place.
This statement had come after the ‘mutilating children’s genitals’ line originally. An error in revising the credo on my part. If women need to be ‘fixed’ then I have little respect for a god as a designer who can’t make the body correctly. Let’s throw in vestigial organs and evolutionary defects and I think I make my case.
I have no use for a god who tells his chosen people to not steal or murder, but then says to wipe out a whole civilization except for virgin women and to take all their possessions.
The common Hitchens line following his treatment of the 10 commandments. At once it is correct and wrong. The 10 commandments are laid out and then the Israelites go on a conquest of plundering, murder, and rape. This may be exaggerating the massacres some though, but it shows the wonderful attitude God takes towards his own laws and what his chosen people can do. However, the cities and peoples being wiped out were child sacrificing pagans and deserved to be eradicated. Second, this whole story, in my mind, is a fabrication and there is no evidence that the Jews came out of Egypt and wiped out these civilizations, but most likely the Jews were remnants of these civilizations and the Torah is how they wish their history would have been. That’s my two cents.
I have no use for a god who professes to control the weather when so many needless deaths of innocents are caused by natural disasters.
Demosthenes states that if there were no natural disasters people would find other things to blame God for, and this is probably true. This is a problem of pain, or fact of pain, and I have avoided the topic generally in the past, for good reason. However, it still gives us an odd case for a benevolent god, and makes the deistic god even more cold and distant.
I will be making one more post on the credo, and I think that may put me at 8 official replies, so I may just have to do a conclusive reply at the end to make it a true 9-page reply. I like symmetry.